Welcome to Part 2 of the Create a Life You Love Series.On the podcast today Kristin talks with Laura Cruise, Author, Speaker, Coach and Podcast host of Your Dream or Mine, about how we can step into the driver’s seat of our own lives and go from thinking about our dreams to actualizing them (this is a replay from last year).
If you are ready to take action and go after your dreams this is the perfect episode for you. Kristin and Laura also talk about getting clear on who you are, what you stand for and what makes you happy.
Laura shares her personal story, starting from her decision to leave a corporate job after a decade of stability, driven by the desire for greater autonomy and fulfillment. The conversation emphasizes the importance of recognizing what truly matters in life, urging listeners to reflect on their own dreams and desires. Kristin and Laura discuss the societal pressures women often face, particularly the tendency to prioritize others over their own needs and aspirations.
They highlight the significance of self-focus—not as selfishness but as a necessary practice for personal growth and happiness. Throughout their discussion, Laura encourages listeners to explore their ‘magic’—the deeper motivations behind their dreams—and to embrace the idea that it is never too late to make a change. This episode serves as a powerful reminder that pursuing one’s passions can lead to a more fulfilling and enriched life, while also inspiring those around us to do the same.
Takeaways:
- It’s essential to identify what’s holding you back from pursuing your dreams and desires.
- Embracing self-focus instead of selfishness can empower women to prioritize their needs.
- The journey to self-discovery and fulfilling dreams takes time and requires patience.
- Understanding your ‘why’ behind your dreams can provide motivation and clarity in your pursuits.
- Don’t be afraid to ask for what you need in your career or personal life.
- It’s never too late to start exploring new possibilities and reinventing your life.
Connect with Laura online at LauraCruise.com or on Instagram @thedreamtransitionmentor
Download the Free Joyful Living Devotional Journal: https://kristinfitch.com/devotional
Download the Free Reignite Your Passion Workbook https://kristinfitch.com/passion
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Ignite Your Passion, Simplify Your Life and Deepen Your Faith
Are you trying to design a life you love but get stuck in the what-ifs, and expectations and obligations in your life? Welcome to Building a Life You Love, a podcast dedicated to helping you step into a life where your passion blooms from within, your faith deepens and simplicity becomes your favorite synonym for everyday life. What is holding you back from designing a life you love. It’s time to give yourself permission to step into a future that nourishes, renews, and supports you and What God Has for You.
Each week we’ll dive into creating positive habits, stepping out of your comfort zone, making space for meaningful relationships and deepening your faith.
I share practical tips, uplifting guest conversations and expert guidance you can use.
We will focus on:
– Simplifying Our Lives
– Slowing Down Our Pace
– Rediscovering Our Passion, Creativity & Curiosity
– Stepping into New Possibilities at Any Age
-Igniting Our Faith Fueled Dreams
– Cultivating Healthy Physical, Mental and Spiritual Practices
– Overcoming Fears and Limiting Beliefs
– Makeovers: Learning to Be Present, Calmer and Grateful
– Cultivating and Nurturing Our Friendships and Marriages
This is Your Life. Your One Life. How Will You Choose to Live It? I choose to celebrate those among us who stepped off the path of expectation and into a life that feels good on the inside and outside. If you are looking for a place to help you live a more joyful, peaceful life and to step into more ease and calm in your day you’ve come to the right place.
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Transcript
Hey.
HostHey, friends.
KristenAnd welcome back to building a life you love.
KristenThis is your host, Kristen.
KristenToday is part two of the create a life you love series.
KristenI'm actually bringing you an episode that I recorded some time ago, but it is everything about following your dreams and stepping into new possibilities.
KristenSo I can't wait to share it with you.
HostI am so excited for today's episode.
HostYou guys are in for a treat.
KristenIf you are ready to take a chance to bet on yourself and to step into something new in your life, then I am talking to a great guest about how do we find more freedom, step into flow, have a more fulfilling and fun life.
KristenWe talk about how we do it, how we're working towards everything we want and how you can do the same.
KristenHere's what I want to ask you.
KristenWhat is holding you back?
KristenWhat is the thing that's holding you back from going after your dreams and from finding meaningful work you love?
KristenAren't you ready to wake up to the possibilities that are in your life and go after the things you've dreamt of?
KristenIt's time for you to feel alive again, lit up, and for you to know that you're deserving and you are worthy for the future that's waiting for you.
KristenI want you to feel fulfilled and find abundance in your life.
KristenI think it's time and I'm ready to help you get started.
HostNow.
KristenI'm your host, Kristen, of building a life you love.
KristenAnd each week on the show, we're going to help you figure out how you do go after your dreams and find work you love.
HostHere we go.
HostLet's get started.
KristenBefore I introduce my guest and share the conversation with you today, I wanted to let you know if you head on over to kristanfitch.com, i have a new download for you that's absolutely free called create a life you love.
KristenIt's a journaling workbook of lists.
KristenSo if you're a girl that loves a list and you love writing things down, this is for you.
KristenThis has tons of them.
KristenIt has writing down your dreams and desires.
KristenIt has writing down what you want for your future.
KristenI mean, it has so many lists.
KristenAnd the great part about it is, is it's meant to be used as you want to fill in the lists.
KristenBut I think it's a great resource.
KristenI think you're going to love it.
KristenAnd it goes so well with this episode about stepping into our dreams.
KristenAnd so go on and grab that now.
KristenAt least download it.
KristenYou don't have to print it and the idea is to print each page as you need it so that you don't have to print the entire workbook right now if you don't want to.
HostHi.
HostToday on the show, I would like to welcome Laura Cruz.
HostShe's a coach and a mentor.
HostShe's the podcast host of your dream or mine.
HostShe's a keynote speaker, and she is the author of a newly published book, dream it and do it.
HostAnd I am very excited for this conversation today because we align on a lot of levels, but the most important level is that we want to help other women do what we're working on doing in our own lives, which is really coming up, understanding our dreams, understanding what it is we really want, and then going after it and living a life that feels right for us.
HostSo I want to welcome Laura to the show.
HostWelcome Laura.
LauraNo, Kristen.
LauraI think that's the best introduction I've ever had.
LauraThat was amazing.
LauraThank you.
HostWell, thank you.
HostI am.
HostI'm really excited for this conversation.
HostAnd I think that, you know, our listeners are going to get so much out of it because I think both of us, like so many people and so many women, are on a journey.
HostAnd, of course, while we've done a lot of the work to realize our dreams, it's a ongoing and it's a continuous process and iteration.
HostAnd so what I love is we've both been through our own paths and journeys, but I think we're gonna have so many shared connection points or intersections that it's gonna be a really valuable conversation.
HostAnd what I would love to start off with doing is let the listeners know a little bit more about you.
HostCan you tell us a little bit about your backstory and then what you're up to now?
LauraOkay, so I've got three kids.
LauraI'm married and remarried.
LauraSo my first marriage ended about ten years ago.
LauraAnd I guess probably that, for me, was the start of deciding that I wanted something different for my life.
LauraSo at 38, becoming a single mum to three kids, my decision, but still a painful decision.
LauraAnd deciding, okay, so I'm going to leave that and I'm going to start again.
LauraAnd if I start again, what would I like that life to look like?
LauraAnd, you know, that's a hard decision, I will say.
LauraI'm not advocating getting divorced.
LauraThat's not what I'm saying.
LauraYou don't have to do that to follow your dream.
LauraBut that was probably the start point for me to start thinking about.
LauraOkay, so I can do something different.
LauraI've chosen something different.
LauraWhat will that be?
LauraAnd it took time to come to that, but I guess four years ago, I had a moment where I was thinking about the job that I was in at the time and the job that I loved and a company, great company, I worked for.
LauraI was the head of learning and development.
LauraI'm not sure if you have that kind of title in America, but head of learning and development for a really successful entrepreneurial pub company.
LauraAnd it was great, very sociable, fun, lots of freedom in my role.
LauraIt was absolutely brilliant.
LauraBut I'd been there for four years, and when I joined, I decided I'd be there for five.
LauraSo when I got to year four, I was like, oh, okay, so I've got a year to go.
LauraWhat will I do?
LauraLike, where would I want to be this time next year?
LauraAnd I just had this moment, Kristin, where I thought, I don't want to work for anybody else.
LauraI want to work for myself.
LauraAnd I honestly had never considered it before.
LauraI'd always felt that it was kind of other people.
LauraYou know, I've got friends who've got their own businesses, you know, quite a lot of male friends who've got kind of, like, construction based companies and stuff like that.
LauraBut I'd always had this view that if you worked for yourself, it was really hard, and you were never able to put it down, and you couldn't go on holiday, and it was, you know, you were always worrying about money.
LauraSo I'd almost kind of always dismissed it.
LauraBut once I had this thought, I want to work for myself, I just.
LauraIt was like I'd taken the lid off the box.
LauraI couldn't put the lid back on.
LauraI needed to explore it.
LauraAnd so from that moment, it was a year from having that kind of, you know, epiphany, I maybe to actually leaving my job.
LauraSo I had a lot to do in that year to transition over, and I left my job just as a global pandemic hit.
LauraPerfect timing now, best laid plans and all that.
LauraBut I've been so.
LauraI've been working for myself for just over three years, and I absolutely love it.
LauraI love every bit of it.
LauraI have never once regretted it.
LauraI love just the fact that I've designed a life that fits every part of me, and I wish that I could gift that to every woman that I meet.
LauraThat's why I do the work that I do, because I would like other women to feel what I feel so.
HostGood and, oh, so true.
HostAnd before we jump into some further conversation or some questions, I do want to make a point about something you said that I think is really important.
HostYou said, I had never really entertained that idea.
HostAnd I've talked to a lot of people, whether they're guests or people I've worked with, and they say that.
HostSo, for instance, one woman that I interviewed, she was a teacher for, you know, 2025 years, and she said, I never really even knew it was out there because when I was young, I just said, I want to be a teacher.
HostShe said, but it wasn't fitting my life.
HostYou know, she had children.
HostShe wanted to be able to travel, and she could never, as a teacher, take a trip, for instance, in October.
HostSo she said, it wasn't until I started, you know, we'll just say, opening your horizon.
HostRight?
HostIn other words, I think one of the most important things we can do in life is read books, listen to podcasts, go and be around different people.
HostBut I think when we expand what it is we think is the case about anything, right?
HostAbout healthy relationships, about what kind of work can we do, what can that work look like?
HostBut I think if we open ourselves up to the possibility, because that's really what all this is about, is are we open to possibility?
HostAre we open to change?
HostAnd it doesn't mean it has to happen today, but I think the first thing, we have to be open minded to that maybe whatever we're sitting in, if something feels not right about it, or we know we don't want it to look our future to look like this forever, there are possibilities, but we have to be opened to going and learning about them, you know?
HostAnd I think that's an important point to make.
LauraYeah, you're so right.
LauraAnd, you know, me deciding that day, oh, I really want to work for myself.
LauraThat wasn't the end of it.
LauraThat was the start.
LauraThat was the moment where I went, okay, so if I want to work for my myself, what's that going to look like?
LauraWhat will I do?
LauraHow will I make that work?
LauraI'm going to leave a good salary and pension and company car and all of that.
LauraHow will I make that work?
LauraAnd that takes time.
LauraThat's why I describe myself as a transition mentor, because you're not saying, yep.
LauraSo it's Friday, I'm going to quit, and Monday I've got that business.
LauraIt doesn't work like that.
LauraThere are people that make success with it very quickly, but they are few and far between.
HostYeah.
LauraFor the majority of us, it takes time.
HostThat's right.
HostThat's right.
HostAbsolutely.
HostSo let me just put this question to you.
HostI know one of the things that early on, you realized that you had to figure out was some questions that maybe in the past, because you were kind of in a corporate job, you were married, you had young children you hadn't really thought about, but you started realizing you needed to understand or discover about yourself or rediscover.
HostWho were you?
HostWhat do you stand for?
HostWhat makes you happy?
HostCan you tell us about how that came up for you?
HostAnd what did you have to do in order to realize maybe I hadn't really answered those questions before?
LauraYeah, I think so.
LauraWhen I was married the first time, I think when I had three children under the age of five and, you know, it was pretty busy and I think I lost sight of myself.
LauraI think I was somebody's wife, a mum.
LauraI was mum, wife.
LauraI think I forgot who Laura was.
LauraAnd I think probably that's why that marriage ended, because I just completely lost sight of me.
LauraAnd I think that happens to a lot of women.
LauraAnd I think it's a real shame.
LauraAnd one of the.
LauraOne of the things that I like to encourage my listeners or readers or clients to think about is, as women, we often get pushed to the bottom of the pile.
LauraAnd I don't think that's an intentional thing.
LauraI think sometimes we do that to ourselves.
LauraWe're very good at making sure that our partner, our parents, our kids, the pets, our friends are all looked after and we forget that there isn't much left for us.
LauraAnd I think sometimes, as women, we feel selfish if we think about ourselves.
LauraAnd I would encourage your listeners to think of themselves as being self focused.
LauraSo if you're self focused and thinking about what you want, nobody likes selfish people.
LauraWe say that as a negative, don't we?
LauraOh, gosh, she's so selfish.
LauraBut if you think about somebody and you say, oh, wow, she's so self focused.
LauraLike, we're like, oh, that's impressive.
LauraSelfishness is not impressive.
LauraSelf focus is really impressive.
LauraAnd I would encourage the listeners to think about kind of what does make them happy, what does make them tick, what do they enjoy?
LauraBecause, and obviously not everybody has kids, but when you are a mom and you're busy and you're working and whatever you're doing, maybe you're caring for elderly parents, you get so stuck in the doing that you don't ever think about, you don't look outside because you're stuck in the day to day.
LauraAnd I get it.
LauraCause it happens to us all.
LauraBut if you can elevate and like you said, think about the what if?
LauraWhat's the possibility?
LauraJust allow yourself to even, even think of something different.
LauraAnd you know what?
LauraThe reason I say that is?
LauraThere's a new amazing local bookshop close to me, like an independent bookshop.
LauraAnd they've been selling my book.
LauraAnd somebody came in and it was a mum and daughter.
LauraI think the daughter was an adult.
LauraAnd the, the daughter said, oh, mom, that book looks great for you.
LauraWhy don't you buy it?
LauraAnd the moment, oh, she kind of, apparently she picked it up a few times and then put it down, didn't buy it.
LauraAnd I think it's almost because if you, if she bought it, perhaps she felt that she was opening up something a bit like me.
LauraI opened my box, right?
LauraAnd then I couldn't close it.
LauraThe fear of if I start to explore what I might want, maybe I don't want what I have now.
LauraBut maybe you do.
LauraMaybe you do still want what you have, but you want something in addition, or you want to tweak something or you want to change some priorities.
LauraYou don't have to overhaul your life.
LauraDo you see what I mean?
LauraBut you have to look at yourself and say, what?
LauraMake me happy?
HostAbsolutely.
HostWell, yeah.
HostAnd I think when we start asking questions, if we haven't been, or it's been a long time, because for so many reasons, all the reasons you said, right.
HostMaybe we've been in a corporate world and we've been working over working.
HostMaybe we have families, maybe both.
HostMaybe, like you said, we're caregiving.
HostThere's so many reasons why women, because we've tended to be the caregivers in society and culture, right.
HostWhether you have a family or you don't.
HostAnd because of that, a lot of times we are always putting others first, which is a wonderful thing, but not to our detriment.
HostBut I think if we start realizing that when we ask these questions, what it's really saying is, do we really understand what we stand for?
HostWho would we, or what would we fight for?
HostWhat are our virtues?
HostNot saying we don't know those.
HostWhat I'm saying is when we start realizing that, when we ask questions like who am I, what do I stand for and what makes me happy, they're not frivolous questions.
HostThey're really actually getting to the heart of us so that every choice we make is balanced or bounced off of those things.
LauraYes, absolutely.
HostSo I think when some people hear things like happy, they think it's, oh, you know, that's not about that.
HostLike, I have to work to pay the bills and I have to take care of my kids.
HostHow can I be more happy, right?
HostLike, I just have to do.
HostBut that's actually not true, because the happier we are, and I use the word joy more because, like, an inner gladness, right?
HostBut to me it's the happier we are, the more joyful we are in serving in purpose, right?
HostAnd that we're serving ourselves and we're serving families, whatever.
HostBut if we do it from a place of understanding our why and knowing that we're getting what we need, we're going to do a better job at all the things we're doing, right?
HostWe're going to show up in the world the way we're meant to show up instead of just getting why.
LauraAbsolutely.
LauraAnd I think it's also really important to remember that you.
LauraThe way that you operate and as a woman and the way that you show up, you inspire others.
LauraSo you inspire your friends, your sister, your mum.
LauraYou know, your mums, you know, it's always the case, right?
LauraYour mum never had as many opportunities as you will have, and my daughter will have more opportunities than I've had.
LauraDo you see what I mean?
LauraBut you'll inspire those around you to think about what would make them happy.
LauraSo it's that kind of ripple effect.
LauraSo, you know, show up and be the best, the best that you can be and live your best life in order to inspire others to do the same.
HostYeah.
HostWell, I love the example you gave of that bookstore.
HostFirst of all, I think it's great that a new independent bookstore just recently opened up near your house, because, as we know, there's not enough anymore.
HostBut I love the story about the mother and daughter in the book because I know you hear it, too, but I hear it over and over and over again, whether it's someone I talk to or whether I talk to other women who are building things like we are, and then they're talking to their audience, if you will.
HostYou know, so there's a woman I'm friends with, she's working, I'm writing a book about finding love in her fifties, and she started a group and she's doing things, and she said, so many people say to her, I just, how did you do it?
HostLike, I don't know how to do it.
HostAnd then she'll say something like, oh, well, you just have to put yourself out there, right?
HostLike much like the possibility.
LauraYeah, yeah.
HostOh, no, no, I can't do that.
HostOr, oh, no, no, I don't want to leave my house.
HostOnce again, though, it's, we are getting stuck in either fear or not believing that it could be different than it is now.
HostAnd so what do you have to say about that?
HostWhat are you seeing and what was true for yourself about, why don't we start?
HostWhy are women in general, and this is a generalization, getting, why are we afraid to start?
HostWhy are we afraid to try something new like that mom putting the book down?
HostBecause either she didn't believe she could, right.
HostOr she was.
HostShe didn't know how.
HostSo what would you tell us about that?
LauraI think it's such a good question.
LauraIt just, I don't know.
LauraIt's such a big question.
LauraI've forgotten the question.
HostThat's okay.
HostSo.
HostRight.
HostSo what I'm saying is, like, no, the mom at the bookstore.
HostRight.
HostI, many other women say, I just can't find love or I can't go start my own business, or I don't think I could do that.
HostOr maybe they're divorced or they're widowed or whatever it is, and they're like, I'm afraid to try new things.
HostRight.
HostSo why are we getting stuck in fear or not believing we could?
HostSo I was just curious, from your own journey or some people you've talked to or worked with, what are you hearing beyond?
HostIt seems to be fear holding us back.
LauraOh.
LauraAnd it so often is fear.
LauraI'll give you another example.
LauraSo a friend of mine who is the thing that she's doing for her own business, which she's just set up, is what she does in her job, if that makes sense.
LauraShe's going to do it freelance.
LauraAnd she's amazing.
LauraAnd she could earn so much more money doing it for herself than she would being employed.
LauraAnd we had this conversation, and she said, I said, oh, how much do you earn a month?
LauraAnd, you know, how much do you get?
LauraYou know, she works part time.
LauraAnd she said how much it was.
LauraAnd then she said, yeah.
LauraSo I just think I'd be losing that if I left.
LauraSo I said, okay, well, what would you gain?
LauraWhat would you gain?
LauraInstead of because if.
LauraHow much could you charge for.
LauraShe's a celebrant.
LauraHow much could you charge for a wedding?
LauraOkay, so basically what you're saying is if you did two weddings a month, you could already replace that salary.
LauraHow about if you did four weddings a month or even six, but you could do four.
LauraIt would be nice.
LauraAnd how much work would that take?
LauraAnd it was really interesting.
LauraShe said, I have never thought of it like that, and that's because we tend to look at the what we're going to lose, not we're going to gain what we're going to gain.
LauraWe tend to look at the downside rather than the upside.
LauraWe tend to be drawn into, if I give up my job, I'm going to lose my stability.
LauraAnd I say that in inverted commas, because I think the pandemic showed us that stability is relative.
LauraIt's not as stable as you think, but I think we always think.
HostI.
LauraWon'T have that anymore.
LauraThat's bad.
LauraThis is, it's a limiting.
LauraIt's a limit that we put on ourselves.
LauraI've got a friend, actually, who's got her and her husband or construction company.
LauraAnd when I was endlessly talking about leaving my job and what will happen, and she said it was brilliant, what she said, she probably doesn't even remember.
LauraShe said it to me.
LauraShe said, the thing is, laura, when you work for somebody else, there's a limit, because you can only earn what you can earn, right?
LauraYou can get bonuses, whatever, but you can only earn that when you work for yourself.
LauraThere's no limit.
LauraAnd I was like, oof, blown away.
LauraYou're right, there's no limit, because I can decide how much I want to earn, how, you know, who I want to work with.
LauraI actually was talking to somebody last year, a corporate event, and I said to this guy, I only work with people I like.
LauraAnd he said, sorry, what do you mean?
LauraI said, I only work with people I like.
LauraAnd he said, how do you do that?
LauraAnd I was like, well, what do you mean?
LauraI only work with people I like.
LauraYou couldn't get it.
LauraI want to work with nice people, people I gel with, you know, like, I have an instant connection with you.
LauraI want to work with people that I really like.
LauraYou just couldn't get it.
HostYeah, well, so, gosh, so many things already in that.
HostBut while I'm thinking of it, the last thing you said, there's even been, you know, I've read whole books where part of the book talks about that, where they, when the company, and to keep me, a company doesn't have to be a, you know, a mentor or somebody were a solopreneur, if you will.
HostBut they found that when they started looking at their clients and how much money the clients they got from each client, they realized if they got rid of their one or two clients, that was kind of causing them the most work or the most trouble, if you will.
HostEven if it was their biggest client.
HostThey actually made more money saying goodbye to a client that was not a good fit or because often certain size clients cause you to work the most for the least amount of money.
HostAnd so right about this, and more people are figuring this out that if it doesn't align, you know, the client and the, you know, the client and the person they're paying, it's not a good fit for either person.
HostRight.
HostAnd so I think it's really important that you say that is, I think especially when we're starting out, people can think, oh, but I just need, I just need the money.
HostAnd I'm not saying that's a wrong thought either, but be careful, because if it takes up all your time and you get burned out, then you won't be able to actually get those clients.
HostThat will really work for both people.
HostYou know, it'll be mutually beneficial.
HostSo I think that's important.
HostYou brought up the story about, well, two things.
HostOne, that what you said about your friend saying, you know, you have more unlimited potential working for yourself.
HostAnd then the friend that said, I never really thought about the upside, well, same.
HostI was talking to a girlfriend.
HostShe's a teacher, and she has shared with me some time ago a dream of what business she wants to open.
HostI mean, she has it very clearly in her head.
HostLike, I think even we talked about the name and all this stuff.
HostAnd I said, well, why won't you do it?
HostHer and her husband are both unhappy in their jobs.
HostAnd she said, because, same thing, I have stability.
HostAnd, oh, well, if I stay longer, I'll get my pension or whatever she gets.
HostAnd I'm thinking, but how much more might you make in your business?
HostAnd you would actually love it now instead of being miserable for ten more years or however long he has retirement, I don't know.
HostAnd yet, it was like, the idea was like, taboo.
HostLike, no way, I can't, I have to stay just because I'm going to get a little more money, which, honestly, that's not guaranteed anymore.
HostRight?
HostI mean, the schools, the federal government, whoever you work for could literally say, whoops, it's gone now.
HostSo I don't think you can really rely on that.
HostYou know, I think.
HostNo, your point?
HostThat's why people talk about diversifying, right?
HostHaving multiple ways we can make money as we build something to begin with.
HostRight?
HostI mean, obviously we have to start somewhere, but I think it's testing our dreams, right?
HostStep into it at least a tiny way.
LauraYeah.
LauraI think also we get fear of looking at the downside.
LauraBut we also get really bogged down with what, and again, inverted commas, what people will say or if it will fail or what will people think of me?
LauraAnd, you know, I'm scared of that.
LauraAnd we get so worried about the opinions of people that, you know, the people that you care about, the people you love who are in your world.
LauraOf course you care about what they think.
LauraBut people, you know, I remember early on in my business saying to somebody, I'm worried about people.
LauraAnd they're saying, which people?
LauraWell, you know, people.
LauraWhere are the people?
LauraAnd it's like, what all people in the whole world you worried about that we can get so bogged down with, you know, it's fear, it's this, it's money mindset.
LauraIt's imposter syndrome.
LauraIt's confidence.
LauraI don't know how to do it.
LauraAll of these things.
LauraThere's so many reasons why we hold ourselves back.
LauraAnd the reason I wrote the book is because I wanted to kind of put me in somebody's pocket.
LauraYou know, they buy the book and they go, actually, if I follow this process through, I could do that, too.
LauraI could do that.
LauraIt isn't other people who set up their own business.
LauraIt's not other people who follow their dreams.
LauraIt's me.
LauraIt's me too.
HostRight?
HostAbsolutely.
HostWell, yeah.
HostAnd I think that's really the trick, is if we can be a little more opened, you know, see, even if we don't see the vision or we don't have the full vision yet.
HostLike if.
HostIf we're curious about something, right?
HostAnd I think that's key, right.
HostIs one of the things they've shown is people need to be curious.
HostIf you're a curious thinker about anything, all things in life, eventually that leads us to new ideas or it leads us to, maybe I want to learn more about this thing, or maybe we have a hobby that we love doing, but we've never thought it could be anything to make money.
HostAnd not to say it has to be, but often there's a connection point there, right?
HostIt's something that would fit with how we could make money.
HostBut if we just get curious, we get things much like a hypothesis.
HostWe don't have to have it all figured out.
HostJust like when you said, hi, I want to work for myself.
HostYou didn't know.
HostAnd I'm guessing it took you some iterating to come to doing exactly.
HostWorking with people exactly how you are now.
LauraAbsolutely.
LauraProbably.
LauraYou know, it's pretty vague at the start, because I think when you first start in business, it obviously depends what sort of business.
LauraYou're probably service based rather than product based.
LauraBut I was like, oh, I want to appeal to everybody.
LauraAnd obviously the wider you are, you appeal to nobody because you're really muddled and you don't have a clear message.
LauraBut again, that's having the confidence to say, okay, I'm going to hone in on this thing.
LauraSo I was pretty vague.
LauraIt took me some time.
LauraWhen you are starting on that journey, it's okay to do that.
LauraIt's not like when you work for somebody and they're holding you to a standard and they're doing a review and saying an appraisal and saying, you got that wrong, you can work it out.
LauraAnd there's nobody saying, oh, God, I can't believe you did that.
LauraAnd if that person is saying that, well, they're no friend of yours, are they?
LauraYour friends are there to support you.
LauraSo it's okay to try stuff, test it, see what works.
LauraThe one thing I always say is if you're going to work for yourself, make sure that you're doing something you really love.
LauraSo what you just said about hobbies or something like that, you know, that's what I talk about in the book.
LauraWhat, what do you love to do?
LauraWhat do you love to spend time doing?
LauraBecause when you work for yourself, you're going to do that same thing day in, day out.
LauraSo make sure it's something you really do enjoy and you could keep repeating.
HostThat's right.
HostWell, yeah.
HostAnd just speaking from my own experience, I started this podcast, let's see, was it or what are we in may about two years ago, and then I started another one last year, but a more niche one.
HostBut let me say this, I have iterated continuously.
HostThe overall concept is the same.
HostI've gone more from the idea of what it is, building a life you love.
HostAnd how do we do that?
HostSo much like stepping into the possibility, stepping into following your dreams.
HostThat's always been the overall focus.
HostBut then I've tested other things.
HostYou know, when I went through one program, then they want, you know, they were like, oh, well, you have all this background in online marketing and SEO.
HostAnd so I played with more going in that direction and I sat on it for a while, but it, yes, I'm good at that.
HostBut I realized my heart doesn't want to do that day in and day out.
HostAnd so I've had to iterate.
HostI've tested things, I've tried things.
HostIt slowed down some of the progress, but I had to go through it in order to be certain that I didn't want to just be doing more business strategy that was more technical or more, you know, logistics.
HostI wanted to help people step into and understand how do we realize really the dream, right.
HostHow do we actually build lives that aligns with the season we're in right now?
HostAnd so that's what makes my heart pitter patterh.
HostIt's not, I mean, yes, I could help somebody with their business strategy a lot, but.
HostBut that's not the main core thing I want to help them with as much.
HostSo I've had to keep iterating as well, you know, and test them things.
HostAnd that's okay.
HostNow, sometimes it can be hard to do that because you want to know the answer, right?
HostI want to.
HostYou want to know the answer, but it's only through trying things or coaching people or mentoring them and go, oh, I loved this over here.
HostAnd they really got it.
HostAnd this was okay, but maybe this isn't it.
HostAnd I, and that's okay, but that's.
LauraYeah, yeah.
HostYou know.
LauraYeah.
LauraAnd it really was, it's an overused phrase, but it was a journey for me to get to the bit I wanted to, and I really, I resisted talking about women going into business.
LauraAnd probably a lot of that was imposter syndrome, where I thought, who am I to talk to women about going into business?
LauraWho am I to do that?
LauraAnd then I had a bit of a, like, come on, of course, you know, why?
LauraYou know, instead of saying, why couldn't it be me?
LauraYou know, like the same question, well, it couldn't be me.
LauraIt could be you.
LauraLike, why couldn't it be you?
LauraAnd actually, that is where I'm, I honestly believe that's what I, what I'm destined to do, to help women to realize their potential, to create that life they've dreamed of you, that life in that business.
LauraAnd the reason the business has got to be in there, because I believe the only way to have true the four fs, which is what I focus my life, my work on, freedom, flow, fulfillment and fun.
LauraYou only get that when you work for yourself, even if you've got the best boss in the world, you only get it when you work for yourself, because then you get to choose who you work with when you work, how you work, what work you do on your terms.
HostAbsolutely.
HostAbsolutely.
HostYeah.
HostAnd so what would you, what might you want to share with us?
HostI know your book.
HostYou kind of have it set up into six steps.
HostBut is there any of that that you maybe want to share just sort of highlights or jumping off points or tips with the audience about how do we start, you know, dreaming it and then moving towards that?
LauraSo I guess the bit that I'd like to talk to you about is the magic.
LauraRight?
LauraSo you.
LauraWhen you've got a dream.
LauraSo let's just say, you know, your.
LauraYour friend was saying that, you know, she had this business idea.
LauraShe got it clearly kind of mapped out, and.
LauraBut, you know, she was staying.
LauraStaying in the job because it was reliable and safe and ten years to retirement or whatever.
LauraWhatever it is, what keeps us in the status quo is because we don't connect with why we want it.
LauraSo knowing what you want to but then knowing why you want it are two different things.
LauraSo, you know, I want, you know.
LauraYou know, yes, I want to be a coach and a mentor and a podcaster, an author.
LauraWhy?
LauraWhat do I get from that?
LauraAnd I call that the magic.
LauraSo connecting in with what you get from it, and it's not.
LauraIt's not.
LauraYeah, I can write a book, and I can say I'm an author.
LauraThat's not the magic.
LauraThat is not the magic.
LauraThe magic is somebody saying to me, oh, my God, I read your book, and you made me see that I have got the potential to do that, and I did this and this, and now I'm doing that.
LauraDo you see what I mean?
LauraThat's the magic for me, that I can help somebody to take the.
LauraAnd it won't be the same journey as me or the pathway, but I can take.
LauraI can help them to realize their full potential, right.
LauraTo realize what they want to do.
LauraAnd the magic, you know, some of the things that make what I do magical for me are that I.
LauraI've got teenagers.
LauraI think that teenagers need you a lot, actually.
LauraWe tend to think they don't because smaller children are needy in a kind of very functional way.
LauraTeenagers need you in a really different way.
LauraAnd I wanted to be around.
LauraI'm talking to you from an office, my office at the bottom of the garden.
LauraSo I'm around a lot of the time.
LauraSo if we want to go out for a coffee or I want to pick my daughter up or I run into the gym or, you know, we go shopping or we just do something together with my son, then I get to.
LauraI get to kind of enjoy them before they flown the nest.
LauraMy daughter's 18 next month.
LauraYou know, I'm not running out of time.
LauraBut she's her own person and I love that.
LauraBut I want to spend time with her and I want to spend time with my son.
LauraMy eldest son's at university already, so I.
LauraThat's the magic.
LauraAnd I love to bake.
LauraSo I've always had this thing.
LauraI want to be able to bake so that when the kids come in from school, I've baked something.
LauraIt's fresh, it's warm.
LauraThey can come down the office and see me.
LauraMy commute's tiny.
LauraLike, literally take a cup of tea, walk down to my office.
LauraAll of those things are the things that make it magical for me.
LauraNow, somebody might listen to that and think, God, I don't want to do that.
LauraWhat's magical for me is that I, you know, whatever it is, but work out that joy.
LauraWork out that, you know, it's like the best feeling.
LauraThe best feeling.
LauraAnd if I share with you, when I launched my book in March, my daughter is very similar to me.
LauraShe's.
LauraShe's, well, she's kind and caring, as I would say I am.
LauraBut she gave me a card that said how proud she was of me.
LauraAnd she said, you have shown me what a strong woman looks like.
LauraAnd I thought, and that is the magic.
HostAbsolutely.
HostYeah.
HostYou're showing her the way forward.
HostShe can do whatever she wants to do.
HostAnd I don't mean, but I mean she can create her own future, in other words.
LauraYes.
HostYeah.
LauraYes.
HostAnd I love what you said because I'm very similar aligned, which you probably could have already guessed that, but I have three teenage and college age children as well, boys only, but they're all at home.
HostOne did go away to university, but he's back home now because he struggled with some mental health stuff in his second year.
HostBut it's like I even have done a podcast episode on my other podcast, I've written a post about it, but I said the most important thing I might do today is make peanut butter toast my son.
HostAnd it's not because he needs me to in the sense of he's not able, but he was going through a hard season of his mental health.
HostHe wasn't going to make it for himself.
HostWe'll just like to some level, right?
HostSo that was when I realized, yes, he can, age appropriate wise, but that's an act of me showing love.
HostSo, yes, it sometimes silly, but then I say, no, I have, and I want time like that.
HostI want to be able to.
HostLike you said, I baked muffins last night, you know, and I'm home, you know, I know when they're coming and going and I'm around and it's the same.
HostI've worked remote for a long time, even whether I've worked for myself or nothing.
HostBut, yeah, I want to be flexible.
HostI want the availability.
HostI want all the things both are helping people get.
HostAnd so, yeah, of course, there's other.
HostThere might be a bigger.
LauraWhy?
HostLike you said, because I really see people's potential.
HostI see that we show up as our best selves when we understand how we show up in purpose and as our full aligned selves.
HostBut I also one day, do you want a house on the water so that my, my kids will come back?
HostI want to do a retreat place there, like, so I have this other bigger vision down the road, but I have to do the work to get there.
HostRight.
HostAnd so, yes, you know, yeah, once again, so I have, like, written on my board ahead of me, like, my big vision, you know, just a statement.
HostAnd then there's what I'm on now.
HostBut I think that we can, you know, another example, I interviewed a woman who, or was I doing a coaching thing with her, but I think maybe it was a coaching call, but she worked for a lawyer, and she at some point said, oh, I need.
HostShe need a little more flexibility in your schedule?
HostWell, they were basically, they kind of pooh poohed her and said, oh, no, this is the set.
HostThis is set.
HostYou know, so she ends up leaving.
HostShe goes to a different company, and it's a little bit better.
HostAnd then the old company, she was so good, tried to get her back, and I said, well, do you want to go back?
HostAnd she said, well, I want more flexibility and something about money.
HostAnd I said, well, then ask.
HostThey literally want you back.
HostThey're recruiting you back.
HostYou can ask for whatever you want.
HostThey can say no.
HostAnd she was so stuck in the.
HostThey're in control.
HostAnd I said, no, you now have to chip.
HostYou now can ask for whatever you want.
HostYou can say, I need a set, different schedule.
HostI need more flexibility.
HostI need more money.
HostAll they can say is no.
HostI said, but how is that any different than you deciding not to take the job because you don't think they'll give it to you.
HostBut it was, that sort of thing is we have to be willing, even if we're not, if we're worried or we're scared, like, just to be brave for a minute and try.
LauraYes.
LauraYeah, yeah, yeah.
LauraSo many of us are scared to even ask that question.
LauraLike you say, right, but like, what if.
LauraAnd what if they say no?
LauraAnd I'm always like, well, what if they do say no?
LauraThey couldn't say no, because that's their.
LauraIt's up to them, just like it's up to you if you want to ask the question.
LauraAnd if they say no, then you make an informed decision based on the fact they said no, it's fine.
HostAnd I am not saying I haven't been there.
HostI have justified things like that in my own life in the past, you know, and didn't realize it at the time.
HostI thought I was rationalizing it for a good reason.
HostAnd then I realized later I was doing something similar to what she did in a different way.
HostDo you know what I mean?
HostLike, so just because we do something like that doesn't mean we can't go later.
HostOh, and then do something different.
HostRight.
HostIn other words, we can learn from maybe in the past we weren't aware of our behavior, beliefs, or our thoughts, and we can change those.
LauraYes.
HostSlowly.
HostWhat other tip might you want to share with us from your book that you think the listeners, the audience might like to hear?
LauraSo I think there's something that's quite important.
LauraIf you think about where we are now and how long we live and certainly in the UK, how long do you have to work for if you.
LauraRetirement age for me at the moment is 67.
LauraIt's probably be 73 by the time I retiree.
LauraI think we sometimes stay stuck in what we've always done because we've always done it and because we trained to do that, whether that was, you know, at school, at university, college, an apprenticeship, you know, whatever it is, we should keep doing that because we've done that and we're good at that, and we'll just keep doing that.
LauraAnd I think it's okay to say, you know, a bit like we said about not enjoying something, you know, I've done that, I can do something different.
LauraWe live very long lives now, very long compared to previous generations.
LauraAnd I think it would be pretty dull if we did the same thing from the minute we left college or university or whatever until we retired.
LauraSo it's okay to say, yeah, okay, I enjoyed that.
LauraNow let's do something different.
LauraSo think outside the box.
LauraJust explore.
LauraWhat do you enjoy?
LauraWhat lights you up?
LauraWhat would get you out of bed in the morning?
HostYeah, absolutely.
HostI mean, I literally have shifted some of my focus.
HostI was mentioning this earlier to telling people, you have to follow the joy, tap into your delight, you know, like those are just like the things that are hobbies.
HostWhat are, what are the things that you're drawn to?
HostBecause they're not by mistake.
HostRight.
HostLike, what I like is slightly different than what you like and what my friend likes.
HostAnd what I try to tell people is if you follow that and you're open and you're curious, it's going to lead you to something else.
HostBecause I kept having people over the last couple of years try to push me back into, like I said, online marketing and tech.
HostAnd it's not that I don't enjoy doing that to some extent, but I don't want that to be, to your point, my next 40 years.
HostRight.
HostMy next 30.
HostAnd so I kept anytime things maybe weren't exactly where I wanted them to be, I would entertain if I needed to do that, because even my husband, who's very supportive, but he'd be like, well, what about, you know, this thing over here?
HostBecause he knows that I've been really successful at that.
HostAnd I'm like, I know in my heart, I know in my soul that that's not where my future is taking me.
LauraYeah.
HostRight.
HostIt was my past.
HostAnd I'm having to peel back those onions.
HostI'm having to unlearn what I don't have to step into the future being my core role.
LauraYeah.
LauraYou know, and I love what you said about that as well, because I kind of, I feel like up till so I got divorced when I was 38.
LauraI feel like that was like part one of my life, and I've stepped into part two.
LauraAnd part two is where I have more choice, more freedom, more autonomy, more.
LauraMore confidence, more.
LauraI'm much surer about what I'm doing.
LauraAnd there's so much freedom in that.
LauraIt's amazing just to decide, yeah, I'm going to do that and I'm going to love that, and I'm going to enjoy that, and it's going to be brilliant.
HostAbsolutely.
HostYeah.
HostAnd, you know, the good news is there's a lot more women that are showing up in the world.
HostThey're speaking up and they're sharing their stories and their voices, you know, on platforms like this.
HostRight.
HostPodcasting in books.
HostI mean, you know, there's definitely women that I follow, whether they're kind of like, at the same place I am in my business, you know, kind of a couple years into the newer business, or than the people that I'm following that are ahead of us, maybe.
HostAnd I love it.
HostI love them talking about sort of that they're showing up, they're figuring out the income.
HostSome of them are already at the level of knocking out of the park, you know, millions and millions of dollars.
LauraYeah, yeah.
HostYou know, and so to your point is it's.
HostThat's.
HostThat's all what we need to do more of, right.
HostIs the more we share these stories, the more that people see, whoa, I can do that, too.
HostAnd then the daughters, see, or the sons.
HostI mean, I only have.
HostYou change the world by the conversation.
HostChanging.
LauraAbsolutely.
LauraAnd, you know, you.
LauraYou're not.
LauraSometimes I think we feel like, oh, we're too old.
LauraI can't make a change now.
LauraYou're not too old.
LauraYou know, we get worried about our age, get worried about, like, how much time we've got left.
LauraSounds really morbid, but, you know, like.
LauraAnd we get all bogged down with, it's not the right time.
LauraMaybe I'll wait until I've lost some weight or weights.
LauraI think quite a big thing.
LauraAnd nothing about wait, but I'll wait till that, or I'll wait till that, or I'll wait till that.
LauraAnd do you know what?
LauraThe right time to start thinking about what you want is the day that you decide to start thinking about it.
LauraSo you're not behind.
LauraIt's not too late.
LauraYou haven't missed the boat.
LauraYou haven't, you know, wasted years.
LauraThe right time to start is the day that you say, okay, now I'm going to get really self focused, and I'm going to think about me for a bit of, yeah, that's the start of it.
LauraAnd it doesn't matter how old you are, what position you're in.
LauraIt doesn't matter.
LauraAny of those things.
LauraIt just matters that you start.
HostAbsolutely.
HostYeah.
HostMy mom's about to turn 80.
HostI mean, both my parents are still living.
HostThey're both remarried.
HostBut my mom is an artist.
HostShe's a sculpturist, she's written books and things.
HostBut she.
HostI mean, she is going after her best self.
HostYou know, like, she does art every paintings and sculptures and applies to be in gallery shows.
HostBut my point is she seems super young because she's doing what she loves and she's exploring continuously, like, oh, I want to try a different type of painting.
HostWell, here we go.
HostRight?
HostBut it's because most of us, I get sometimes genetics or, you know, we end up with a diagnosis, but if we're actually following our joy, we're following the things that we just like.
HostRight.
HostWe're just made that way.
HostIt makes us.
HostWe stay younger.
HostI mean, obviously some things, too, but honestly.
HostSo it's actually going to let you live and probably do something you enjoy a lot longer if you step into it, you know, instead of just doing a job where you clock in and clock out.
LauraYeah.
LauraAnd I definitely think that since I was a single mom, I'm definitely a calmer, happier person.
LauraAnd then, you know, as I've.
LauraMy husband and I have been together a long time, but, you know, as we've lived together and, you know, we've brought our families together, and as I've been in my business, I'm just a nicer person to be around because I'm happier because I'm not so stressed.
HostThat's right.
LauraLike, I'm not, you know, I don't think I was a horrible person before, but I was less shouty now because I'm.
LauraI don't have those kind of external pressures, which made me, like, come on, you know, impatient about stuff, particularly when my youngest were small, you know, he'd be trying to tell me something, mommy.
LauraMommy.
LauraAnd I'm like, come on, I'm busy.
LauraLet's face that now.
HostYeah.
HostAnd I actually, you know, I definitely share about that often, which is, I have definitely come to realize that most of us are living at a pace that is not realistic.
HostAnd if you're faith based, I don't think it's the way we were designed to live.
HostI think this whole over scheduled, over busy, overbooked living, the reason we're so praised, frazzled, stressed out and sick, whatever you want to call it, is because we're fitting more into a day than supposed to, like, really be in a whole week.
HostRight.
HostAnd so, yeah, to your point, when we work for ourselves, especially women, and, you know, because sometimes I get it, maybe a woman still has that.
HostLike, I'm gonna take on the world.
HostAnd sometimes men, you know, definitely can have that.
HostBut I think as you get to hit 35, 40, 45, 50 and beyond, you start realizing maybe your priorities are different.
KristenYes.
HostYou would like to make money, you want to make a living, but I'd rather have a day that feels good to me.
HostAnd then I can do the things I want to do without feeling those feelings, like exhausted or overwhelmed or stressed out.
HostTo your point, I'm a way more enjoyable person, too, and I was pretty okay then.
HostBut my level of stress.
HostTension is so much better.
LauraYeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
LauraAnd I've noticed.
LauraI've been noticing about myself.
LauraYou know, I was a very sociable person before.
LauraI'm still very sociable but I socialize in a different way.
LauraSo when I was employed by, you know, when I worked in corporate, I really.
LauraI actually did a post about this today on my socials.
LauraI really felt the need to kind of let my hair down at the weekend because, you know, I was pretty tired and I worked hard all week, and I don't feel that now.
LauraAnd I was like, why is that?
LauraAnd I realized it's because I don't have those, like, kind of big shifts in mood or anything because actually my life is.
LauraI socialize with business friends.
LauraI've got quite a relaxed life, so I don't need to kind of let my hair down because I'm really relaxed.
LauraAnyway.
LauraYeah, I mean, I'm super stressed this week because I'm doing a big show in London and I'm honestly, it's just pushing me outside of my comfort zone.
LauraBut aside from that, it's very rare because actually just quite chilled and relaxed.
LauraSo I don't feel the need to kind of, I just enjoy what I'm doing without that, you know, the big highs and lows.
LauraI'm just kind of fairly level.
HostYeah, absolutely.
HostAnd.
HostRight.
HostThere's going to be moments in times where we have some big event happening or we have a deadline, right.
HostFor maybe finishing a book or.
HostAnd that's to be expected.
HostThe point is, we don't want to live where it's a constant elevation of stress.
HostRight.
HostLike every second is a.
HostWe want it to feel like you said feel like it.
HostWe can maintain this.
HostRight.
HostThis level of how we're living.
LauraOkay.
HostSo as we wrap it up, is any last, just bit of encouragement you want to share before we go?
LauraWell, the title of my book is dream it and do it.
LauraAnd I would say, I say this to all my clients, and I say it often in my post and on my podcast.
LauraBelieve in yourself.
LauraBelieve that if you dream it, you can do it because you honestly can.
LauraSo if there's something that, you know, perhaps it's been niggling away at you, you know, there's something that you dream of doing, perhaps you haven't shared it with anybody and you haven't shared it because you were worried what people would say.
LauraSo explore on your own.
LauraBecause I think sometimes if we share it too soon, people go, why do you want to do that?
LauraAnd it, oh, all right.
LauraThen we forget about it.
LauraBut, you know, start to explore that and start to ask yourself some questions, do some self coaching, you know, buy the book.
LauraBut think about, you know, allowing yourself to believe that if you dream it, you can do it, because you absolutely can.
LauraBut the first step is even allowing yourself to kind of open up your thoughts.
HostAbsolutely.
HostSo, Laura, how can people connect with you online and learn more about your book and your podcast and your course and all those good things?
LauraSo you can find me on Instagram, I'm hedream, transition mentor.
LauraOr you can look at my website.
LauraIt's lauracruz.com Cruz, as in tom lauracruz.com dot.
HostLaurel, thank you so much for being with us today.
HostI think it was just a great, uplifting conversation.
HostI think there's lots of tidbits, and I think there's just so much that we can all see ourselves in the story that we were sharing.
HostAnd maybe that'll help with us all, you know, being a little more open to the possibilities, a little more open to just exploring and getting curious about our lives, where they're at and where we want them to go into the future.
HostSo thank you for being with us.
LauraThank you.
LauraI've loved it.
KristenAnd I just wanted to wrap up this episode today with a little excerpt from Mary Marantz book, slow growth equals strong roots.
KristenHere's what she says, and I thought it just so much spoke to what Laura and I talked about on the show today.
KristenShe says today, more than anything, I want you to remember this.
KristenYou have the right to remake your life from the inside out.
KristenYou have the right to say, enough achieving, enough performing, enough striving.
KristenI choose rest.
KristenYou were not put here to chase the checklist of someone else's dreams, and neither was I.
KristenWe are not bound to their hustle or their busy or their grind or their priorities.
KristenThis is our chance to redefine what we think it is to win.
KristenWe are not called to spin our wheels without intention, hoping to gain some ground by the sheer perpetual notion of it all.
KristenHoping that if we just start moving, just show up, looking put together and important enough, then failure won't find us.
KristenWe are called to walk this dirt road home with wide open eyes on the path that is set before us.
KristenWe are called to focus and rest in deep work in doing that thing that we have been most gifted to do.
KristenRemember this.
KristenYou don't have to hustle more, weigh less, earn more, sleep less, spend more, slow down less people, please more, or say no less in order for you or your story to matter.
KristenYou already do.
KristenIt already does.
HostAnd I say, go chase that.
HostGo.
KristenStep into your dreams.
KristenYou don't have to achieve more.
KristenYou don't have to be anymore or be any different.
KristenGod has put on your heart something that he wants you to step into.
KristenYou've already been given the gifts and the interests.
KristenSo I'm saying go follow that, get curious, and go take one step in that direction.
KristenAnd thanks again for listening in.
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KristenUntil next time.
KristenHave a great week.